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#5381
Re:Freezone tubing size ??? 1 Year ago Karma: 2
XenoMorpH wrote:
I am using res/pump => FZE => cpu block => res/pump. It's the same as you usgguested. Works just fine!


Thanks Xeno....
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Re:Freezone tubing size ??? 1 Year ago Karma: 2
Well....... to recap..

My Freezone has been in service for 9 months now.... the current unit is a replacement (RMA from e-tailer) to the original unit for the same exact pump noise issue. It was replaced at the 2 month mark. I'm starting feel that this pump design is sub standard.... and shouldnt have to be replace every few months.


I finally got around to checking out the pump since I started this thread... In the beginning, the system was totally full and now after 9 months of operation... there is now a big 2" bubble in the line... So...... I pulled out my spare psu... hooked up the pump to it... turn the pump up on its side and begin fill'n her up.... I got all bubbles out.. Ran the the pump.... better but no cigar.... rather than a constant marble swirling around the tin can noise... it is now a faint noise with an oscillating get louder and fade. Really annoying..... I even went as far as doing the washer in the impeller mod (found somewhere within in the Coolit forum pages) but no go there either..... the only thing good about this pump currently is that it still pump'n the water.... noisy... but pump'n.....


SO......


I have fallen on the gernade and will be ordering a reservior/pump combo and a new cooling block (the one I have is the original block and may be lesser of the performer to the current block they are shipping now)

Pump/reservoir combo: XSPC X2O 450 Pump with Acrylic Reservoir combo

www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.ph...mp;products_id=25392




Danger Den MPC-CPU - 775 Quad Core Block

www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.ph...mp;products_id=24981


The reason for my choice for this particular pum/reservior combo is that the pump has similiar lph to the original pump and the overall size of the unit as I am very limited in space inside my desktop case. Plus with the reservior integrated, this would give me extra fluids and easier refills.

The reason for my choice for this particular cooling block is mainly of cost.... Danger Den is considered to produce quality products. I also wanted to keep the block as simple as can be for the size pump being used... some of the blocks I saw would seem that you would require a much stronger pump... plus, I dont want to get into a pump that would overwhelm the TEC tanks... I know that the flow through the tanks should be in a way that its not too fast that it wont cool the water enough and not too slow as to affect the cooling block effectiveness.....

Here is a picture of the inside of the computer showing the limited space - entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2659450390052054534bfQoZR




Hopefully the new pump/reservoir combo and new cooling block willl perform better both cooling and quietness compared to its current state.
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Re:Freezone tubing size ??? 1 Year ago Karma: 12
A higher flow rate will keep your system cooler.... You would think that a slower flow rate would work but the liquid spends more time on top the CPU thus heating up... This gives you warmer temps in your TEC reservoirs... I've test various pumps and the higher rated pumps always provide cooler temps...

Note: Remember that some pumps produce allot of heat and having both together (Res/Pump Combo) could give you warmer temps...
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#5391
Re:Freezone tubing size ??? 1 Year ago Karma: 177
Hey MX5GG

I have some CoolIT pumps that have been working flawlessly for close to 2 yrs.(with regular topups, depending on where you live I find it needs to be checked every 2-6 months eventually) I think yours was possible damaged from running with air in the system. This will happen eventually to any pump. Its actually very rare that I see a pump fail. 90% or more of the time its a refill issue.

I like your current setup of your rig, the yellow and blue theme you have going looks sick. Amazing work on the cable management, such a tight space like that must have been a PIA.

Whats on your block? I like that, looks so clean.

Make sure to post some pics once the new parts are in.
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Re:Freezone tubing size ??? 1 Year ago Karma: 2
Malkie wrote:
A higher flow rate will keep your system cooler.... You would think that a slower flow rate would work but the liquid spends more time on top the CPU thus heating up... This gives you warmer temps in your TEC reservoirs... I've test various pumps and the higher rated pumps always provide cooler temps...

Note: Remember that some pumps produce allot of heat and having both together (Res/Pump Combo) could give you warmer temps...



Doh... way to go Malkie

why didnt you mentioned it earlier before I started to look for a new pump/res combo.... you little bogger... LOL....

Well.... right now.. my setting on the controller module is about 60%. The current cooling system is keeping my Q9550 @ 2.83ghz idle temp at 29~30C and load temp at 33~34C while playing HALO or BF2.

So I am hoping with my choice of pump/res combo and the new cooling block... that my temps will be at least the same or better... crosses fingers.. BUT with silent operation. Unlike now with the loud swirling of marbles in a tin can noise i am getting.....
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Re:Freezone tubing size ??? 1 Year ago Karma: 2
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Thank you for the compliment on my system... yes.. it is a PIA putting my system together especially when you have limited space and you are trying to put a crap load of stuff in it. But you have to be patient when you are putting it together and in the end it is all worth it.

The part I am dreading is that when the new parts come in, tomorrow, I will have to remove the cooling system to retrofit the new pump/res (i'll end up having to fabricate some new mounting brackets) and remove the mb so as I make way for the new cooling block due to the different mounting stuff... (crap)....


so you are asking about the red coating that is wrapping the cooling block, as it is shown in this picture?





it is liquid rubber. You can get the stuff from Home Depot and Lowe's home improvement big box store. They come in red and black. It is the stuff that if you have a tool or whatever.... and you want to coat it for insulation or whatever the purpose.... this is the stuff to do it.

The reason I used it to coat the cooling block is to insulate it from the possibility of developing condensation on the metal surface. I had noticed that if I crank on the controller to full power... that the metal surface will develop condensation. At this time I just coated the cooling block and will monitor the TEC tanks. If at anytime the TEC tank develop condensation, I will coat them too... but at the moment, it is not necessary. But with the new block... I dont think i'll have to do this since the top is of clear acrylic which in itself an insulator versus a metal surface which will develop condensation much faster.

As the word pump failure..... well, for me.... I consider my pump not quite failed ..... it just NOISY... it still pumps... I cant see how a little bit of air would cause this noise... in my case it was 1.75" worth of air bubble. When you look at the lines real close while it is operation... there are no bubbles moving through the system. It is a solid wall of water. The only thing I could see is the bubble would congregate or trap at the upper half of the pump causing air pockets and the impellar to ocillate.... plus the pump is very simple in design... the motor/magnet is stationary.. then you have a impellar with a magnet that when power is applied the impellar spins... I am kinda thinking that these impellar are not well balanced and that they vibrate very easily causing the impellar's magnet to rub against the motor housing causing the noise. To me a total failure is when the pump is not pumping or in otherwords the impellar is not spinning.... I starting to believe that the pump is just low in quality when it comes to longevity.

I will post up pictures of before and after and will give you guys the result of my quest for total quietness operation...
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